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Re: Lloegr/England?
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Posted by: Bob on October 1, 2002
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Posted by Leigh on October 1, 2002
Subject: Re: Lloegr/England?
> Ydy unrhywun yn gwybod beth ydy'r geirdarddiad Cymraeg am 'Lloegr'? Mae'r iaithiau Celtaidd eraill i gyd yn galw Lloegr, yn eu gwanhanol ffurfiau 'gwlad y Sacson' e.e:
> Llydaweg - Bro-Saoz (Breton)
> Cernyweg - Pow Sows (Cornish)
> Gwyddeleg - Sasana (Irish)
> Gaeleg - Sasainn (Gaelic)
> Manaweg - Sostyn (Manx)
> Oes y fath beth â geiriadur geirdarddiad Cymraeg?
> Does anybody know what the Welsh etymology for 'England' is? All the other Celtic languages call England, in their various forms 'land of the Saxons' eg.(see above)
> Is there such a thing as a Welsh etymology dictionary?
> Leigh

The name Logres (for England) was much used in Arthurian Literature. I have discovered the following part derivation:

LOGRES

The name of England in Arthurian romance. It comes from Lloegr, the Welsh name for England, perhaps derived from Anglo-Saxon Legor, an element found in the place name of Leicester. The derivation of this Legor is puzzling.

Maybe this takes us half way to a derivation.

I can also add a further Celtic name for England, i.e. from the precursor of Cornish and Breton (a language which Joseph Biddulph names 'West Country Brythonic' or 'Old Devonian'). It would have been 'Bro Sais'.

I am personally not fond of the names 'England' or 'Wales'. The former is a crude generalisation for a land with a mix of different peoples in different regions, and the latter ('Wealas' foreigner) is just plain insulting. Just my opinion.

Bob

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