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Re: Th English are a cruel race
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Posted by: Nuno dos Santos on September 8, 1999
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Posted by John Bradley on December 25, 1998
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Nice answer, but I have to disagree with most of it. Before saying one people was better at colonising than other you must say what is good colonising. And what do you mean rif-raf(not an historic and objective term)and that coment about the spanish and portuguese? You canīt just say something like that and not state the facts to prove it. Of course I must say that being a portuguese my opinion may not be very objective, but let me tell you something about iberian colonisation: The spaniards did conquered the native american empires, but what did you expect? The reconquista left them a warmachine about to be dismantled the very year Colombus reached the New World. There was no premeditated genocide:disease rather than war made most victims and you cant blame the europeans for biological warfare (at least without blaming the natives of doing the same with sifilis.) And even the conquest was more the work of greedy private adventurers than the stateīs. Letīs not forget that the two first vice-roys apointed by the spanish crown were murdered by the adventurers they were sent to control. Letīs not forget also that if you can point out an "hispanic" on a street in California today it is not because of any hispanic features, but because of native central-american features. And 40% of the population of todayīs Peru still speaks quichua, the language of the quichuas, better known as incas. Can you find an apache or cheyene that easily in the mid-west?
As for Portugal, the reconquista finished 250 years before Columbus voyage and in between (1383-85) a merchant backed revolution replaced the dinasty and the old nobility. This left a bastard dinasty looking for prestige, an aristocracy of second sons looking for honor and pillage, and some very optimistic merchants looking for adventure. The portuguese discoveries were a national adventure, but this nation had only between 0.25 to 1.0 million souls. This meant that terror tactics on the East, slavery on the West active miscegination and nothing close to genocide were necessary.
Then came the decolonising/independence/separation: The US got their independence afther fighting a war with Britain when she was at her peak (and would be again). The latin american countries won their independence from their motherlands at a time wen they were weakened by french ocupation and civil unrest, and they had the help of free markets seeking britain. They became independent too soon and fell on the hands of britain and most particularly of the US and to this they Spanish and portuguese speaking americas have been the "backgarden" of the only colonial empire that practiced long term premeditated genocide of native populations. Funny how no one remembers that and go right to the "vile" iberians.
But you are right when you mention the SUPERB work the british did afther WW2, pulling out of the colonial empire. I am not including the "dominions" here, they were already ready, and they represent for me the ultimate objective of empire building: create new broder states/nations. Portugal did a LOWSY (to put it mildly)decolonization during the seventies for political reasons: 48 years fascist dictatorship folowed by brief comunist oriented politics that dumped the colonies like they were the plage. But dont you think it is unfair to blame the former colonial rule for all the poverty? Doesnīt the neocolonialism of the great powers and multinational companies have nothing to do with that? And let us not forget the british had their empire but that doesnt mean they had all their investment there. The unfavorable Methwen teatry of 1703 doomed the portuguese borning industry on favour of british manufactured good. Could the portuguese, or other powers have invested better in their colonies had not been for british overwelming supremacy? And to what an extent did this influenced the wealth of british dominions? Thigs are never simple.


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